Sept. 14, 2025
264. Tech Disciple, Part 1
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Send us a text Brother Stephen D Holder shares his journey from growing up with a single mother in Buffalo to finding faith through his grandmother's influence and a transformative experience at Christian camp. • Growing up with a single mother who had spiritual background but didn't regularly attend church • Grandmother's pivotal role in introducing him to church at age 8, simply saying "it's time for you to start going" • Finding spiritual connection at Camp Hunts in Hubbardsville, NY arou...
Brother Stephen D Holder shares his journey from growing up with a single mother in Buffalo to finding faith through his grandmother's influence and a transformative experience at Christian camp.
• Growing up with a single mother who had spiritual background but didn't regularly attend church
• Grandmother's pivotal role in introducing him to church at age 8, simply saying "it's time for you to start going"
• Finding spiritual connection at Camp Hunts in Hubbardsville, NY around age 15-16
• Wrestling with feeling "not ready" for baptism despite understanding the gospel
• Experiencing his "first sin" shortly after baptism by singing a worldly song
• Going through a difficult church split that tested his faith
• Drifting away during college years in a "prodigal son" period
• Being drawn back to church by his grandmother's unwavering commitment despite serious illness
• Learning that faith isn't about knowing everything but living authentically in way that draws others
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So I got baptized.
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I'm here, I'm feeling good.
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I can't sing that anymore.
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I can't sing bodies hitting the floor.
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I can't see that, but at the same time.
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I'm seeing everybody who also was Christian saying let the bodies hit the floor, I'm like, no, no, I can't do it.
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Hello and welcome world to the Call by God podcast.
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I'm your host, brother Nick, and I'm not here with my dear co-host, sister Adni, but we are joined here today with a special guest, brother Stephen Holder.
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Man, how you doing on this blessed day, brother, about yourself, man, oh man, I'm blessed.
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I'm blessed.
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So we're recording on a sunday, sunday, sunday.
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So before we get into your episode, you know please, how was worship today?
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would you sing something?
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I'm not a singer bro.
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What you want me to do?
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no, no, no, I was, I was where.
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You know.
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You know we go, we come together, we congregate, we worship, we fellowship and um, how was worship with the saints?
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was was very good.
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We had a uh um member who was preaching.
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Our minister is out of town.
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He's actually in greece, um, doing like a nice trip.
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Okay, um, in Greece doing a nice trip.
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He's doing a whole bunch of stuff over there.
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I saw some of his photos, but worship was good today.
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I think it definitely touched some people.
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Everybody needs to hear something at some point.
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I caught some glimpses of it as I was working in tech, but it was good though it was good.
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Amen, Amen.
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Well, I know I just got, I know I just kind of caught you off guard with that question, but, um, for the sake, for the sake of our, our listeners and our viewers, uh, before we get into your initial question, just tell um, our listeners and our viewers a little bit.
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Oh sure, no problem.
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So, um, my D Holder I use the D because that's very important to me D, not D.
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But Stephen D Holder is me, stephen Holder is an actor on Netflix and Stephen Holder is a correspondent on ESPN.
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Stephen D Holder is your boy, okay, so I like to put that out there.
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I like using my middle initial.
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It kind of gives me some distinguishes, me.
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But, man, I mean I guess I never really talked about myself, so I'm going to give this a shot.
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But I mean, I'm from Buffalo, new York.
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I did all my schooling in Buffalo under elementary, high school and college grad.
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Once I finished with that, moved to Ohio with my uncle for a little bit.
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He got me a job, started to be in IT, I went to school for a teacher but teaching wasn't working out, so got in IT, stayed in IT and just kind of made my own path from there and from Ohio to Cleveland, ohio, dc, detroit and finally moved to Raleigh, north Carolina, in 2015.
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So this is where I call home right now.
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It's exciting to me just to hear a little bit about the guests before they said yes to the gospel.
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So my question to you, brother Stephen D Holder.
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I like how you put the D in there.
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Now I got to put emphasis on that.
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Brother Stephen D Holder, give our listeners and our viewers a glimpse into your upbringing and background before you said yes and obeyed the gospel.
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Yeah, sure.
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So I mean I'm going to start this answer off in a little strange way.
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I don't want to go left field.
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But we'll see how it goes.
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So the first memory that I can ever remember in my life was I was small and I was by a tree with a bunch of leaves.
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Okay, I'm saying that for a reason.
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Hopefully I can get to it.
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But fast forwarding to when I was getting older.
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Single mom, you know, not necessarily in the hood, but not the best area In Buffalo.
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She did what she could and you know, love her.
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She's still here.
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So you know we're doing all right.
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And I went to a public school.
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I love public school, but I was a little rough.
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In went to a public school, I love public school, but I was a little rough in the beginning of public school.
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I was a little rough and, um, I don't really like conflict and stuff like that.
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And one day I was just getting you know, kids are bothering me, whatever and my mom's like, listen, you got to do something about this, can't keep doing it.
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So I said this can't keep doing.
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So I said, oh, okay, but it went a little too far.
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And um, some other things nothing like awful, but um, that was an experience.
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So, um, yeah, I mean I don't want to say stereotypical kid in the hood with a single mom, but that's what I'm going with.
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Yeah, for right now.
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And you know, that's normal.
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That's normal between, especially our culture yeah, well, I mean, there was definitely family around to help right, the whole village thing.
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But people move in different places and you had to get dropped off here, so many to drop you off there, and I don't fault them at all.
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They did what they had right.
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But in terms of just living, you know I was living with at least in my early years I was with her.
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Was your mother a?
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church-going woman yeah, she had any spiritual background yeah, she definitely had a spiritual background.
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Her sister and their brother, they all have a spiritual background.
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But I guess when she had me and she was working, um, not that she never disbelieved, but I mean it just wasn't not like a regular occurrence of going on sunday, if that makes some sense, right and I think I think this will kind of unveil, as you know, we kind of go, go through the questions and kind of dig a little deeper.
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Yeah, yeah, the reason why I ask that?
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Because when I was a kid, same thing I grew up a single.
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My mother was a single mother.
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Praise be to God.
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God gave her the strength to raise seven children.
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She had a total of eight children, but God gave her the strength to raise up seven and the only memory that I have of her in terms of the spiritual component was she used to like force us to go to church.
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We were like little kids and she was like, yeah, you're going to go to church, you're not staying here on Sunday, and there are times that she would go to church, but there are times that she would stay home and then she would just send us to somebody church.
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So we went to like different churches when we were young.
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And then that's what I appreciate about my mom was that piece that she tried her best because there was no man in the house, because there was no father figure, she didn't have a husband.
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She made sure that her children learn about the master Jesus Christ.
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So, and that's that's going to a nice little segue to the next question.
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So my question to you is like who taught you the gospel and how long after the teaching did it take you to obey the gospel?
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Yeah, so to answer that, I turned.
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I think I think I turned eight years old and I was playing over at my grandmother's house and she, just out of the blue, said how old are you?
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I said I'm eight and she said it's time for you to start going to church.
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To which I said church, what's that Right?
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So that's kind of how I kind of got into it and.
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I'm sure my mom said things about God or Jesus when I was younger.
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Maybe I just wasn't receiving what she was saying at that time, but my grandmother actually stopped me, like how old are you?
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Okay, it's time for you to start going to church.
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So that's kind of what got me back into it and I mean it got my mom kind of going back into it too.
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Right, you know, stephen's this old.
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Now he needs to start knowing about god and jesus and going to church.
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I go to church right here.
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Y'all welcome to come.
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And that's kind of how I got into into church.
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I guess.
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Um, yeah, I think, uh, I think I was going because I was kind of told to do, told to go.
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Um, I don't necessarily think I fought it really.
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I know you hear stories about people.
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I fought it.
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Like you know, I was forced to go this and that, the other thing.
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My mom wasn't really a forceful person in terms of that, but she was like, yeah, no, it's a good idea, it's probably good that you go.
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So I started going and I was right at that age where everybody was always too old or too young.
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So I was like 10.
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And like the closest friend well, the closest friend I had at the time was a minister, but in terms of like my age range, if I'm 10, the closest person is maybe like 22.
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Okay, and then like the youngest person is like six, like five and six, and then they have siblings.
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So I would never really have like that.
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I don't want to say youth connection, but I never had people around my age.
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I got to talk with everybody.
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Everybody was very friendly, but I was at that age where I felt it was a little difficult.
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But I started going to church and started slowly, slowly realizing what's kind of going on.
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But the thing that really set me on with the gospel was, once I started going to church, my grandfather, who I call dad.
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He was like hey, you know, you need to go to, you know, a Christian camp.
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It's called Camp Hunts, hubbersville, new York, and again I'm like camp, what's that, aside from just what you see on television, right, you think of Nickelodeon shows or whatever.
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Like, oh, okay.
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So I was like all right, let's just go to camp.
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So I went to camp and I actually loved it.
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It was like this is amazing.
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You know the activities, the praising, the worshiping, the singing.
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I'm not a singer by any means.
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But I've just seen other people sing and how different people can come together from different spots around the state.
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I'm from New York originally, right?
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So different people from New York come to this camp and it was, you know, it was good for me, right, it was it was good for me because I didn't really have that.
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So, um one year, at the camp there's a guy named uh uh, uh, will spina.
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I still know him.
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He's preacher minister in arizona right now at a church of christ, and he's like hey, young man, let me talk to you right quick.
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I'm like what you want to talk to me about, man, what you doing?
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And we started sitting down, opening up the book, going to it.
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Now, by this time I was around 15 or 16.
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But I knew that something had to be done.
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He was talking with me, sitting down, going through things, showing me scriptures and giving me scenarios of you know things.
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That kind of connect with me, I think.
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And you know, the question came well you know, do you think you're ready?
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And I'm like, oh, I don't know.
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Well, you don't know, but you just answered all these questions.
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Yeah, but I don't know.
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All right.
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Well, you know the water's not going anywhere.
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We have a pool right here you can go.
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So I mean I was back and forth a little bit with it but ultimately I did commit and hopefully.
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I did say Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and Son of God.
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I went down into that water, came up saying taking care of business, I think is what I said.
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Something like, something like that.
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I don't, I was, I was, I was happy, I was happy.
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I do want to add one thing to this, because I do think it's important to to know Um, I don't want to say I didn't want to say I felt pressured, or I want to say it was coaxing me or pushing me.
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I don't want.
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I do not want to say that because that wasn't the case.
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But in myself I wasn't sure if I was ready.
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But then, especially getting older and looking back and stuff, but you're never going to be ready, that's kind of what faith is right.
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I'm believing in you, I'm putting my trust in you.
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So, whether you think you're ready or not, if you're answering these questions and you're studying with a gentleman who's taking time out to really study with you, you're ready.
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Yeah, we're ready.
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I'll stop there.
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I like that you said that because when I was young, and how old were you when you got saved?
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I want to say 15, 16.
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It was July 15, 1998.
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Yeah, that's a good age too, Because when I was around that age, somewhere around middle school, high school-ish people used to talk to me about Jesus Because, as I mentioned, my mom forced us to go to church, so I knew a little something about Jesus.
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But people over time used to come to me here and there.
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We had this young kid in middle school.
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He used to walk up to us with the Bible and the crazy thing about it, he's the Church of Christ.
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So it was like a little kid in middle school.
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He's like, hey, man, do you know about Jesus?
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And he would do this faithfully.
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So he wasn't like no, no, cold Christian, he was like a Christian that was on fire for the Lord at young, at that age.
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So if I'm 15, he must have been like 13, 13 years old with the Bible, preaching the gospel, and I would never forget like he would like walk up to different individuals.
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But I knew a little thing or two about Jesus, but in my mind I would say that I'm not ready, and so I used to try to play with God, you know, cause I don't know if people do this, but I'm saying this is what I did.
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I said let me get all the sin out the way, Cause you think about the do's and don'ts.
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I don't care what nobody said, You're going to think about the do's and don'ts like man.
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If I obey the gospel, man, I can't do this.
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I can do this Especially when you're young.
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You're like I can't do this.
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I can't do it.
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So I say to God internally I'm going to give my life to you when I'm like 30 years old.
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Let me get the sense.
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So did you think about that?
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I'm just saying that.
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Did you think about?
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that Absolutely.
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I talked to Will about this too.
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I was like well if.
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I'm not ready now.
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What about later?
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He's like well, yeah, you can do it later, but is that guaranteed?
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And at the age of 16, I wasn't thinking about it, oh, I didn't think about that.
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And you don't want to get dark and gloomy, like you know what happens if I'm not seeing the sun happen.
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It looks at me.
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I was like well, what's the book say?
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Now, there's more to it, Like I'm kind of not not glossing over it, but these were the this was studying, this is called studying Right.
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And um you through that.
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But yeah, I absolutely did.
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And I mean, I don't know if you remember so, when I this 98 and after I got baptized, um, you know, we went to a campfire it was camping, we did all this stuff and the song um, the song by drowning pool called bodies was out and it was just people getting hyped up saying let the bodies hit the floor over and, over and over again but it was like a thing where everybody like right it was, soccer was huge at this camp.
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Everybody loved soccer and teams.
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Oh, let the bodies hit the floor so I got baptized.
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I'm here, I'm feeling good.
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It's like I can't sing that anymore.
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I can't sing bodies hitting the floor.
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I can't see that.
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But at the same time, I'm seeing everybody who also was Christian saying whoa, that's a body.
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I'm like, no, no, I can't do this.
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But ultimately I joined in and for me that was like my first sin after baptism, which this was Wednesday, this was probably like Thursday, All right, so like a day after.
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It was so quick and I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I failed him, I failed him and you know, I kind of I think I don't know if I told will or I told somebody, and they're just like all right.
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Well, I mean, it's a song, you'll be okay, you're kind of brushing it off.
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But like I'm like new and you're brushing it off and I'm like I messed up already.
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It hasn't even been 24 hours already I messed up singing.
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You know, let the bodies sit on the floor when it's not what I think maybe humans would consider sin right, because spiritual sin and what the flesh thinks are sin, sin is sin.
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But you know, in the human world, oh okay, you take that penny, it's okay, no, it's sin Is that yours?
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No, you, take it.
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It's called stealing.
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So, um, take it, it's called stealing, so um, so yeah, I mean.
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So that that was my point, right there, right away.
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Like for me partaking in that song with everybody else, even outside of christian camp, even though these are christians me coming out of the water to that was trying to fight it, I was like oh and then, and then it's like the itch like it's gonna be okay, it's not gonna be so bad.
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You know it's like ah, so right, right, that's it's going to be okay, it's not going to be so bad you know it's like, ah, so that's a long-winded way of answering your question.
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But yeah, no, you're good.
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You're good.
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We could chop it up, because I like how you clarified that nobody forced you into giving your life to the Lord.
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I think most people, they think they're going to live for a long time.
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They think they're going to live for a long time.
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Even kids, you know young kids middle school, high school you talk about the gospel.
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They sometimes think that they have tomorrow.
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We know the Bible clearly says that we don't have tomorrow.
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Tomorrow is a gift.
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So even if we make it tomorrow, that's a gift, that's a blessing, you know.
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So I like the fact that you brought that up, because if somebody is talking to you about the gospel today, like you should obey the gospel today.
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That very same day, we talk about Philip in a unit.
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He didn't waste any time, right, he didn't waste any time.
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So being baptized so young.
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You know a young Christian convicted of the worldly song that you was listening to, and then you watching, looking around other Christians saying the same thing, but you had a conviction in your heart.
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So were there any times in your life to watch the journey in your early Christian walk or even later, where you find yourself in the wilderness, where God had to try you in your faith and where you had to grow from faith to faith.
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Could you share a story?
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